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Conversations with Tom Stewart
Board of Editors, Fortune magazine
Real Time Management
The leading proponent of knowledge management
in the business pressTom Stewart

Editor's note: This is a synthesis of the "Conversations with Tom Stewart" held in April, 2001 as part of the AOK STAR SERIES. Each month one of our four discussion groups enjoys the visit of a KM luminary as guest moderator. During the course of 11 months, the STAR SERIES will have delivered the best "conference" of the year to the desktops of AOK members around the world for a fraction of the cost of a physical conference and with the convenience of continuous education that is at the right place at the right time. Please Join AOK and participate in these knowledge exchanges as they happen in the future.

Table of Contents (Click on list item to go directly to each topic)

 

  Introduction

Jerry Ash, AOK chief executive: Please join me in welcoming Tom Stewart as our fourth guest moderator in the AOK*Domain Knowledge Inc. STAR SERIES. He will be with us for the next two weeks and he brings to our table a new topic - Real Time Management.

Tom needs no introduction, but I want to remind you of the gift of knowledge he brings to our table.

He is a member of the Board of Editors of Fortune magazine where his monthly column, "The Leading Edge," is read by 870,000 readers world wide. He pioneered the field of intellectual capital in a series of landmark Fortune articles that have earned him an international reputation as the leading expert on the subject. In 1994, the Planning Forum called him "the leading proponent of knowledge management in the business press" and in 1996 he received the International Knowledge Management Awareness Award presented at the International KM Conference in London. His book - Intellectual Capital: The New Wealth of Organizations - was published in 1997 and he is working on a new book now. He is a much sought-after speaker on a wide variety of business topics.

While Tom has "managing in real time" on his mind at the outset of our discussion, we look to the members to drive the "Conversations with Tom Stewart." In addition to his series on real time management last summer, Tom has written on a wide range of management subjects from productivity to stock options, the emerging electronic marketplace, the influence of networks on business, the economic and management implications of the Information Age including "Managing in a Wired World" and "Managing in an Era of Change."

This is our opportunity to tap into the great intellectual resource which is Tom Stewart, reporter, editor, thinker, leader, pioneer.

Welcome to our corner of the virtual world, Tom. Let the dialogue begin.

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  "Old Hands" Not Always Best Practice Examples

Jerry Ash: Thanks again for the gift of your time and knowledge, Tom. I'll start the dialogue with a question.

The first of your three columns on Real Time Management (see "Preparing for Conversations with Tom Stewart") reminds us that many enterprises have already been in the business of managing in real time for some time. Your example is an electric power company; mine would be healthcare facilities.

But I'm wondering what lessons these existing practices have to teach the newbies and what lessons the newbies will eventually be able to teach the old hands. Those who have practiced some of the components of knowledge management by the seat of the pants prior to the rise of KM as a discipline may not have known enough to establish "best" practices. To have been in the 24/7 environment doesn't necessarily mean that power companies and hospitals and police departments have the best ideas on how to manage in real time. Healthcare facilities have always been in the knowledge business but they have much to learn from the much younger KM movement. Right or wrong?

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  System Tries to Catch Up with Progress of Patient

Tom Stewart: Right and in spades. Actually I think that only parts of the healthcare industry operate in real time - if TV is anything to judge by, emergency rooms might, but most of the system batch-processes patients, and anyone who has been in a hospital knows that delay is the order of the day, while the system tries to catch up to the progress of the patient.

And that's a knowledge management problem. I'm no expert on health care, except as an occasional consumer, but it seems to me that medical care delivery systems mismanage knowledge (or fail to manage it) about as badly as any other organization, and in some sense worse.

The issues are serious: Life and death depend on getting the right information about a patient or a problem to the right place at the right time. Hospitals make this their excuse for special pleading - why "we're different" and can't follow others' models. Of course in many other industries life and death ride on similar knowledge questions - air transportation would be a good example - so the special pleading isn't accurate; but it never is. The issues are voluminous: There's a frighteningly large information stream that accompanies every patient's journey through the medical establishment. The issues are complicated by privacy concerns: Knowledge-sharing is all well and good, but do I want my neighbor to know about my kidney stones or my employer to know about my abortion? And of course they are complicated by litigation: One of the reasons TQM hasn't had the impact on healthcare it should is that it requires people to pinpoint the cause of errors, and wouldn't the malpractice bar just love that?

All of which said, on yea, there's tons healthcare can learn. A couple of examples:

(1) Knowledge and information sharing across functions and organizational boundaries. Some instances:

* An old slightly off-color joke asks "what to a proctologist and a gynecologist say when they meet?" The answer: "They say, 'excuse me,' and continue with their examinations."

The personal care physician - your old family doctor - is supposed to act as an information and knowledge clearinghouse, a medical traffic cop, sending you out to specialists, coordinating their decisions, talking to you about their plans. Ha. Doesn't happen - and a large part of the problem is keeping and managing a total patient profile. There ought to be (1) an electronic document that keeps everything in one place and accompanies me from dermatologist to hospital to dentist. XML and hypertext and a little artificial intelligence (applying configurator technologies to medical care, so that a dispensing physician would be warned that the steroid he's prescribing shouldn't be given to patient X because he has osteoporosis, e.g.) would be a great KM project.

(2) Asset utilization. Some of knowledge management's biggest successes have been in improving the utilization of hard assets: scheduling freight cars, reducing inventory by replacing it with information, and applying lessons learned to projects like oil refinery turnarounds (which are basically spring cleaning projects). Health care is rife with opportunities for that: Moving a patient through a hospital is a logistics problem, involving coordinating of the work of many specialists, for example - think of all that waiting time.

Assets: A few years ago Fortune published a story about Karolinska Hospital in Stockholm, where a new position, "nurse coordinator" was created to manage "patient flow": one consequence: "Three of 15 operating theaters have been closed, yet 3,000 more operations are performed annually, a 25% increase."

There's lots more: This is a huge, enormously complex, and enormously inefficient industry. Knowledge management and realtime management could make a large difference.

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  Healthcare a Cottage Industry

Lucinda Main, PhD, Pharmacist, Senior Vice President, American Pharmaceutical Association (APhA): Report Calls Healthcare a Cottage Industry: For those particularly interested in information management, or the lack thereof, in health care today, I reference a new report from the Institute of Medicine (available on their web site) called "Crossing the Quality Chasm". It calls for a wholesale reengineering of the delivery and financing of health care today. Central to the proposition for change is that the health delivery system is a cottage industry when it comes to utilization of info technology for knowledge management (or even fundamental record keeping for individual patients). Lengthy but interesting reading for those in the industry and those who can help us.

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  KM is the "Last Fad"

Tom Stewart: Responding to Lucinda Main's point that the health delivery system is a cottage industry.

" Those of us who are advocates of new management ideas always like to think we've invented the wheel - and that it will never need reinventing. I remember once being asked after I'd given a talk about knowledge management, "What's the next fad? What comes after?" For a moment I hesitated, then, with a grin, said, "This is it! This is the last fad! This is the last word in management - you'll never need to learn anything else!"

I'm reminded of this because Lucinda Main's observation brings up an excellent point: Knowledge management builds on foundations that were laid by TQM and (don't say it too loudly) reengineering. You'll remember that one of Deming's first principles of quality is "drive out fear." Unless you do that, you can't deal with facts, because people bury them to cover their rear ends. That's one of the major problems with knowledge management in hospitals. People don't want to document errors, because documenting errors means doing the plaintiff's work for him. Doctors don't want patients (or nurses, for that matter) to know too much about the details of their science (or is it the mysteries of their art?) because (1) they're afraid people will do it badly and/or (2) they're afraid people will discover it's not all that mysterious after all.

You can't do KM if you can't face facts. I watched part of the TV show "Boot Camp" the other night. Something struck me as I listened to the "yessirs" and "nossirs" and the orders to drop and do twenty pushups - the cliches of a zillion war movies and millions of real-life boot camp experiences. In basic training, no one can weasel out of responsibility, even if whatever went wrong is someone else's fault:

"I didn't do it, Sir!"
"Who did?"
"Jones did, Sir!"
"Why didn't you stop Jones?
"I don't know, Sir!"
"Because you're a lily-livered idiot, right?"
"Yes, Sir!"
"Yes, what?"
"Yes, I am a lily-livered idiot, Sir!"

The result, when it works, is pretty impressive: People take responsibility for their actions and inactions. There's a mess. How did it happen? Why did it happen? Who did it? Who didn't stop it? Who will clean it up? That unflinching facing up to facts is pretty unusual in corporations - and not just health care organizations - where these questions frequently get political answers, not factual ones. It's hard to break these habits, which is why the military has to use an extreme, intensive regime like boot camp to break them. It's why Jack Welch, at GE, never stopped pushing a series of initiatives (starting with the famous WorkOut program) whose purpose was to knock down pretense and posing, uncover facts, undermine bosses' power, and, as he put it, turn meetings into "interactive forums for disseminating new ideas and the sharing of experiences - rather than political show-and-tell sessions.

Bringing facts to the surface fast and responding to them immediately isn't sexy, but it's the first and most important step in knowledge management.

Debra Amidon, ENTOVATION International: Is the Globe Ready for Real-time? I wonder in your world travels what you are discovering about the readiness of countries - industrialized and developing alike - to embrace these modern management concepts and practices? Is the Knowledge Economy creating a level playing field as some might suggest?

Tom Stewart: Thanks for your question, Debra. You know that there's no simple answer to it. There's too much divergence and diversity to generalize. For example: We have evidence that income disparities are widening - the rich getting richer faster than the poor are improving their lot. Except that that's not true if you take the highest-level perspective and realize that incomes in China and India have grown faster than incomes in the West, so that, on the broadest possible per-capita basis, the global gap is narrowing.

Also, it seems obvious, the threshold measure of a person's standard of living should be: Are you alive? And globally life expectancies have been rising fastest in developing countries (from a very low base), narrowing the gap between them and developed countries. The fact that we can worry about income disparities is evidence of progress. Much of that increase in life expectancy is attributable to knowledge - to the Green Revolution, for example, which has essentially wiped out famine except where politics causes it.

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  Zillions Without Extracting Natural Resources

We're also seeing something else, which is the emergence of zillionaires in developed countries who didn't get there by extracting their natural resources. Wealth drawn from the ground represents wealth extracted from a country. Wealth created by intellectual capital - I am thinking of some of the software multi-millionaires in India, telecom's multi-millionaires there and in Singapore, Hong Kong, etc. - represents wealth created in a place.

This too, is a change from the extractive, colonial, mercantilist mindset. The Asian "miracle" of the last 30 years and the financial crisis a few years ago all showed something about the power and sustainability of a knowledge economy. First, the miracle itself happened most miraculously in countries without significant natural resources - Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Taiwan - and the effects of the financial crisis were least there, too. (Japan's decade-long recession is a special case.) They were knowledge-based miracles.

As to companies: Golly, take your pick. I've talked to the executives of one of Asia-Pacific's largest natural resources companies, whose stock price has been lagging for a decade, and the CEO gets it, but the division executives don't, and have blocked his every effort to try to become a nimble, asset-light and knowledge-intensive organization. On the other hand, Cemex, the Mexican cement company, though still asset-intensive has become one of the great knowledge companies in the world, a paragon of intellectual capital management and also of real-time management.

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  Transitioning to Realtime Management

Joe Katzman, C.A.T. Consulting, Toronto, Canada: I like the theme of "realtime management" - certainly something the high tech sector is experiencing in a negative way right now.

For most organizations, however, real time is more than a stretch - it's so far away from where they are that it isn't even on their radar screen. In cases like that, moving into realtime operation immediately is not a realistic option. Instead, there are going to be some key enablers and transitional states along the way.

Interestingly, nature works this way too. Kevin Kelly's "Out Of Control" described the efforts of researchers to recreate ecosystems, which failed despite the fact that they knew which species they wanted to introduce. After a while, the order of addition was discovered to be important. They also discovered that there were transition species that would helped the ecosystems take a step toward (or away from) their goal, but then might disappear soon after with their work done.

So, let's accept that real time is important and likely to become more so. Let's also accept that knowledge management has a role to play in making this happen.

Can you share with us stories that illustrate some of the key stages on the journey to real time? Some of the key "transition enablers" and infrastructure requirements? Some of the things that make individual champions successful?

You also said: "Bringing facts to the surface fast and responding to them immediately isn't sexy, but it's the first and most important step in knowledge management."

In ANY management, I should think. And this, more than anything else, is what makes management difficult.

Tom Stewart: Joe, it's a good question, and there's no cookbook answer because this is new and the chefs are out there improvising. So I'd welcome other people adding their thoughts or amending these.

First, I think there are some business and cultural prerequisites. If you've got a command-and-control, bureaucratic, hierarchical organization, you can't manage in real time. The very PURPOSE of bureaucracy is to slow things down. That's its added value - and for a lot of business history, there was added value in going more slowly. (Why? Because the commitments of capital and other resources were large and irrevocable: The money you turn into a steel mill can't be liquidated and put into aluminum, let alone into foodstuffs or cosmetics.) That's still true for lots of companies. Alcoa manages a lot of its business in real-time, but the decision to commit to fixed assets, while made quickly, isn't made on the fly.

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  Realtime Requires Empowered Workforce

Also, if you haven't got an empowered workforce, you can't operate in realtime.

And if you haven't got reliable systems - I don't mean six-sigma quality, but I mean most of your systems have to be in control - you have to do that first. You can't operate in real time if you are always having to go back to fix basic mistakes.

Second: Always - for this as for anything else - start where there's a clear business need. "Realtime sounds nice, let's do it" won't work. Cisco got started because their salesmen were upset, and it's not good to have salesmen upset. Alcoa got started because it had an urgent business need to lower its cost base to compete in a cyclical business with commodity elements. PJM Interconnection got started because its customers needed decisions to be made at the speed of a market, not the speed of a bureaucracy. Real business needs.

Third: Watch the support systems as you go, and don't go faster than your ability to execute flawlessly. Again, Cisco, while a young company, found that it already had about a dozen incompatible information systems that had to be brought into sync. Alcoa methodically worked the Toyota Production System.

Fourth: make a distinction between what can and should be real-time (where that adds value) and what shouldn't be. Phil Harris of PJM Interconnection told me that you want "prudential systems" (values, strategic planning, etc.) to be off-line, deliberate, thoughtful. People who act and decide in realtime have to have a clear understanding of your business model, value, and goals, so that their decisions will be consistent with them.

Joe Katzman: Tom Stewart wrote: "First, I think there are some business and cultural prerequisites. If you've got a command-and-control, bureaucratic, hierarchical organization, you can't manage in real time."

Joe Katzman: An expected accompaniment, but I wonder about the causal relationship. In the organizations you looked at, is this radical empowerment a derivative of real-time implementations that force a new way of working . . . or is realtime a derivative of empowerment that continues to take itself to higher and higher levels?

I can see organizations trying the buildout process both ways. Does it matter which end they start at? If so, why?

Tom Stewart also wrote: "'Real-time sounds nice, let's do it' won't work. Cisco got started because their salesmen were upset . . . ."

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  PJM, Cisco and Alcoa examples

Joe Katzman: This wasn't covered in the article. Why were their salesmen upset?

Tom Stewart also wrote: "People who act and decide in realtime have to have a clear understanding of your business model, value, and goals, so that their decisions will be consistent with them."

Joe Katzman: Good point, and I dare say that his kind of understanding may also help spark demand for real-time operation. But getting to that base understanding is no easy task. What did you see that makes PJM, Cisco and Alcoa so effective in this department? And what made them effective at this before the signals of real-time performance could be relied upon?

Tom Stewart: Joe Katzman writes: "An expected accompaniment, but I wonder about the causal relationship. In the organizations you looked at, is this radical empowerment a derivative of real-time implementations that force a new way of working . . . or is real-time a derivative of empowerment?"

Tom Stewart: Both - but chiefly I think the empowerment is a prerequisite, a condition, more than it is a cause. To wit:

You can have radical empowerment and informality and not be operating in realtime. You cannot have command and control and have realtime management.

If you try to operate in realtime in a hierarchical environment, either your efforts will fail or the hierarchy will break down. Given what we know of corporate cultures, the former is more likely. One of Jack Welch's recent schticks is to emphasize the importance of informality. (Actually, I think he always acted this way - but only in the last couple of years has it become an important part of his management language.) "It's a big deal for an organization to become informal" he says, again and again; he means that it's hard and it's important.

If your question is which is the horse and which the cart, I'd say begin with the informality piece.

Cisco's salesmen were upset for the most mundane of reasons: they were out breaking their humps selling routers and so on, working 145 hour days and traveling coach and sleeping in Motel 6s or whatever, and their expense account reimbursements were slow. The company's solution was to put them online and to approve payment immediately rather than wait till they'd been inspected (turns out the cost of checking was greater than the amount of cheating or error found) and spot check afterwards.

This was so successful that Cisco began to realize it could reduce the cost of finance if it tried more. So the next step was to go after the salesmen's commissions: Why can't we calculate them immediately, too? Doing this was more complicated, because it meant getting into the daily order information, rather than tallying up sales at the end of every month or week.

Joe Katzman asked: "What did you see that makes PJM, Cisco and Alcoa so effective in [understanding their business model]? And what made them effective at this BEFORE the signals of realtime performance could be relied upon?"

Tom Stewart: I can speak best about Alcoa, where the company has, over the dozen or so years I've known it, developed an ever greater knowledge of its business processes. When I first saw them, Paul O'Neill had just come in as CEO and made safety his #1 priority. He did it because it's right, because it would help repair frayed labor relations, and because it's a fabulous way to get an understanding of processes. (This is because - assuming a basic level of workplace safety - accidents happen when people take shortcuts. And people take shortcuts, deviating from the established process, when they think that the process is inefficient. So by looking at accidents and near misses, you can get an indication of where bottlenecks are.) That and TQM went on for many years.

Alcoa was really knowledgeable about the different production demands of its long-run processes (making ingot and sheet) and its batch processes (extrusions and so on). Then O'Neill and successor Alain Belda added a level of sophistication in going to the Toyota Production System - and Belda, in particular, expanded it into the Alcoa Business System, realizing that the just-in-time philosophy could extend beyond the factory floor. They didn't set out to become a realtime organization. Only in the last couple of years has that language appeared in their annual report, for example. They just evolved that way, out of the logic of what they were doing.

Cisco seems to me to have been more self-conscious about it. A younger company, growing very fast, it was looking for ways to grow without having to sink zillions of dollars into capital equipment. Solution: Let suppliers carry the capital equipment, and we will carry information to them. The model is not unlike the Dell business model in that respect.

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  Looking for KM in Action

K.S.Srinivasa Murty, Head, Corporate Knowledge Management, Hindustan Lever Limited, Mumbai, India: I have been following with interest the discussions in all the 3 CoPs, now for about 3 months. I have found the discussions very interesting and useful. I am relatively new to the KM field, having been associated with it now for just about a year. I thought I would share with you some of my thoughts and perceptions and seek comments / suggestions.

Let me introduce myself and our company. I am heading the knowledge management initiative in Hindustan Lever Limited ( HLL), a leader in the Fast Moving Consumer Goods Industry in India. This Indian subsidiary of Unilever, with current turnover of about US $2.5 billion, has over the years consistently achieved excellent growth and is among the highly respected companies in India. I have had an enriching experience in the Unilever group of companies in India, spanning over 30 years, in Marketing, Commercial and General Management areas.

I have been involved in our knowledge management initiative for about a year now. Till recently, I was championing KM in our company together with my responsibility as the Head of our Strategic Services Group, which consists of Media Management, Market Research, Business Research and Corporate Planning functions. This month I assumed full time responsibility for the KM role with a view to lead this effort comprehensively and strengthen the implementation across the company. Over the last nine months, we worked on developing the senior management consensus on our company's knowledge management strategy and implementation plans, consistent with our organizational culture and business goals. We are currently implementing a few of the identified projects and intend to simultaneously focus on culture change initiatives, to support our knowledge management initiative. We are very keen to learn from the experience of companies which have successfully implemented KM.

Now coming to a few comments, thoughts and perceptions on KM implementation.

1. If knowledge management is to get serious attention of the senior management of a company, the KM initiative needs to be perceived as evolving into a company wide initiative, well integrated into all the key business processes and strategic priority initiatives of the concern. However, most of the case studies I reviewed so far seem to reflect KM adoption limited to a few locations / business processes in a concern. We are keen to learn how companies have successfully progressed KM implementation from a few successful isolated examples to a company wide adoption and over what time span.

2. While all KM practitioners fully endorse the criticality of senior management buy-in, for successful implementation of KM, our experience has been that this is not easy. One of the reasons for this difficulty seems to be our inability to articulate to the senior management in a persuasive and convincing way, what knowledge management is and why it needs to be a corporate priority initiative. The way KM is described, it is often seen to be fuzzy and amorphous by many senior business managers - it is either seen as IT applications (Knowledge portals / content management tools etc.) or HR (organizational culture, performance development plans, rewards and recognition systems to support organizational learning etc.). While both are important enablers of KM, unless we are able to articulate a holistic view of KM and how it promotes business excellence, with some success stories, KM may remain somewhat peripheral to the business. I am therefore keen to get some leads to companies which have managed to integrate KM fully into their business processes and strategic priority projects.

3. Another reason for the difficulty in articulating KM to the satisfaction of senior management may be:

Every company does manage its knowledge / intellectual assets, adopting some knowledge processes, even though it may not refer to that as knowledge management. For example, the Innovation process management in our company is, in my view KM, even though we do not refer to it as knowledge management. Somehow, when people talk of KM, it seems to always include reference to some communities of practice and knowledge portals.

Possibly, one of the key issues is - how deliberate, explicit and structured is this management of intellectual assets / leveraging of collective knowledge in the concern? Will such a deliberate and explicit process for managing collective knowledge of an enterprise make a significant difference to the performance of the business?

If we were to see KM as explicit and structured management of collective knowledge in an enterprise, the structures and systems of knowledge management are likely to be dependent on the nature of the business and organizational culture. What is an appropriate KM solution mix for one type of industry / company may not necessarily be ideal for another. It is in this context, I am keen to learn of KM practices and success stories in industries other than consulting.

4. Much of the discussion and debate in our AOK CoPs is between KM consultants, experts and knowledge managers. These discussions do not seem to fully capture the difficulty in establishing that KM is not a stand alone, separate initiative, but is an approach to managing business excellence through collaborative team effort, making effective use of enablers like knowledge structuring tools and techniques and information and communication technology getting senior management buy-in. I feel we will benefit if the barriers to KM and solutions are discussed both from the perspective of KM consultants / specialists as well as senior operating management in companies.

5. When we look for KM success stories, most of the case studies one comes across seem to be from either the consulting industry or industrial selling / service industry. I have compared notes with some of my KM colleagues in Unilever. While we do have a few success stories, we feel, on the whole KM is still in early stages of implementation in our concern. I am interested in some leads to successful company wide implementation of KM in the consumer goods industry.

Editor's note: Look for Tom Stewart's comments on Murty's points in Tom's closing remarks.

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  That I.T. Doesn't Eat Its Own Dog Food Astounds Me

Pauline Harris, content manager, knowledge management, American Institute of Certified Public Accountants: "I think realtime cannot function if the IT guys are in control of your organization, meaning, your staff cannot effectively do their work because of constant hardware and software problems.

Tom Stewart: Brava, Pauline.

Half a dozen years ago I wrote a piece for Fortune describing the never ending struggle between the technocrats and the humanists, constantly warring parties struggling for the managerial and organizational soul. It astounds me that IT systems don't eat their own dog food.

For example: Computer diagnostics will tell you if your car needs servicing, and can do so in realtime; they can do the same for a photocopying machine. But they will not do it for computers. I've had a computer's hard-drive die on me (thank god the data had been backed up). Techies told me there are warnings signs of this. Why didn't the computer give me a message: "Hi, this is your hard drive and I am having trouble breathing. Get me to the hospital ASAP"?

That, on a micro level, is part of a macro problem with knowledge management in general. Why is it so complicated to put content up onto a web site? How can you run, say, a big catalogue on the web if every price change has to go through one of a few designated webmaster/bottlenecks? There are some small companies (Interwoven, e.g.) that are working on this problem, but still.

Or take peer-to-peer. When Napster first came out, I railed against it (as a producer of intellectual property, I don't like the idea of a technology that stealing it easier) but immediately started plugging the idea that napster-like technologies should be picked up by knowledge management people - here's a technology that makes it very easy to share files/knowledge, makes it possible for me to drop by and pick something off your shelf without disturbing you.

There is an issue of size in all this, which hasn't been brought up. Radical empowerment and deep knowledge sharing are hard to do in organizations of 25,000 people. I am told that the book The Tipping Point suggests that the maximum size for real community-type sharing might be about 150 people. That raises organizational design questions. Is it possible to make a honeycomb company, where all the cells are 150ish people, and build it out to significant scale? And what would the role of IT be in that kind of company?

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  F2F Still Important to Communication

Paul Cripwell: When writing e-mail you can expect the reader to arrive at some other interpretation of your message.

Pauline Harris: I think your point is well taken. I also think that one of the ten (Mark Breier) tips covers your point: if you haven't figured it out in three e-mails, time to get up and actually go talk to the person!

Tom Stewart: The work of Thomas Allen, from MIT, still holds up. One of the most consistent, important, and ignored pieces of research about knowledge sharing is this: It won't happen if people are not near each other. In a landmark study in the 1970s, Allen examined how often researchers at seven different laboratories communicated with their colleagues. On random days over periods of three and six months, participants were asked with whom they had communicated that day about technical and scientific matters - i.e., questions about the wife and kids didn't count. The interactions were matched against the walking distance between the researchers' desks. The shape of the doward hyperbola is astounding - it drops precipitously. Ten meters between desks - thirty -four feet - is all it takes for communication to become a trickle.

That's research from the 1970s, before e-mail. E-mail might help a little, because it's close to realtime, so it is more like speech. (Before, if I sent you a memo, it might take 24 hours to get from my office via the mail room to your desk, even if you sat three offices down from me.) But the single biggest misdirection of resources in KM, it seems to me, is its attempt to use technology to replace face-to-face contact. It should instead use technology to enhance and increase face to face contact.

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  Empowered People Will Overcome, But . . .

Joe Katzman: Pauline Harris wrote: "I think Joe's hit on a fundamental dilemma we in the trenches face daily, that of empowerment forcing a new way of thinking."

Joe Katzman: Not so much that it forces the issue, but that truly empowered people will naturally do things that work to remove delays from their work processes. Everyone wants stuff from them quickly, so they have a strong incentive to build systems to support that.

As the successes pile up, the cumulative effect is to begin moving the organization (or part thereof) toward realtime. Which then begins to create strains at the management level as soon as the enabled velocity exceeds that which is comfortable for the management structure.

This is often the critical juncture, where innovations can either be deliberately crushed - or where the enabling structure starts to create changes in the management structure. These changes then lay the groundwork for further improvements. Firing the managers who make the wrong choices at this juncture and promoting people who are likely to do the right thing is probably the single biggest lever for change in any organization. This is what Kotter means when he talks about the importance of removing obstacles to change as a key mid-game strategy. This is also what chaoplexity theorists like Pirgione mean when they talk about systems reorganizing at higher levels of complexity and throughput.

Tom, have I got the picture here?

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  Fire the Bastards If You Must

Tom Stewart: I'm always loathe to say "fire the bastards" is the solution - but if they truly are bastards and truly are making change impossible, it may have to be done. It was at a midpoint in GE's change that Welch came out with his famous "there are four kinds of managers" analysis: The manager who doesn't make the numbers and doesn't share the values: Out. The manager who doesn't make the numbers and does share the values: A second chance. The manager who makes the numbers and doesn't share the values: Out. The manager who makes the numbers and does share the values: The sky's the limit."

The third type is the toughest, Welch said, but has to be removed. Now, GE's got a more aggressive HR culture than most places, one of relentless culling of the herd; that might not work elsewhere. Bob Buckman said something kinder and gentler that works for him: The most important signal a CEO can give, he said, is who gets promoted. Promote people who believe in knowledge sharing, and make a point of saying that their behavior led to their promotion. Promote people who understand the kind of delegation realtime management requires, and make a point of it. Pass the others by, leave them in backwaters; the message will become clear.

Pauline Harris: If the I.T. guys are in control of your organization, meaning, your staff cannot effectively do their work because of constant hardware and software problems. IT does not provide help in a timely manner, does not provide ways for staff to help themselves (cheat-sheets, trouble-shooting seminars) and throws even more "toys" at us.

Joe Katzman: I agree that I.T. is often the problem, but not necessarily in this way. One key problem I see is that improvements get halted because IT has standardized on the wrong tools for the job (and won't back away). I vividly recall a conversation with some I.T. turkey in the insurance industry. Seems his users were all asking for a web-based intranet with search features. I know this because he told me so. His (and I.T.'s) response was to give them a Lotus Notes system, with fragmented databases and no central search, and call that an intranet. Web-enable the databases with Domino? Create a centralized search capability? Those things weren't on the priorities list.

I don't think he was fooling his users. He certainly wasn't serving them. As Monty Python puts it: "it's people like you wot cause unrest!"

A second issue arises with tools that are provided, but that require a lot of specialized help to maintain and/or modify. When minor changes require a long exercise with I.T. for prioritization, change in the system slows to a crawl. Especially if you want to move toward realtime, it seems to me that the front lines need to be able to make changes in the system quickly, easily, and whenever possible - directly. Anything else puts the project or application on too long an evolutionary cycle.

That's often the difference between eventual success and failure, especially in an area where the likelihood of getting applications right the first time is very low. An adaptable organization needs adaptable systems . . . the challenge for I.T. is to do that within a robust overall infrastructure, and that's usually a management and mindset challenge more than it is a technology challenge.

Tom, have you seen the "centers of excellence" approach as a useful enabler along the real time path?

Tom Stewart: I think this is a key point. When the automobile first came out, there were estimates (from Daimler, I think) that the total market for cars would never be more than some risibly small number - a quarter of a million, perhaps, but don't quote me. The limiting factor: At that time, cars needed chauffeurs, and only so many people would afford them.

Knowledge management tools, if they are to become the day-to-day tools of the business, needs to be as simple as the telephone.

Pauline Harris: I.T. is certainly not the enemy, but when your I.T. department has lost sight of who the customer is, you are in big trouble.

Joe Katzman: Cisco's I.T. department works on a market-based model. This is obviously very helpful; indeed, I'd argue that it's a key (and often overlooked) underpinning to their success.

As the successes pile up, the cumulative effect is to begin moving the organization (or part thereof) toward real time. Which then begins to create strains at the management level as soon as the enabled velocity exceeds that which is comfortable for the management structure."

Tom Stewart: This is a very key point. It can work both ways, though. I've seen companies where the management team was operating at 60 mph but the rest of the company - first-line supervision, etc. - was plodding along at 30. Either way, the strains, the fault line, comes at the level of middle management, which has been used to collecting data for the top guys and translating strategy into budgets for the bottom of the organization, and whose role has to change.

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  Helping the World Cope and Capitalize on the Knowledge Age

Jerry Ash, AOK chief executive: Tom, I'd like to retell this story as a means of explaining just how much your visit to AOK has meant to me.

In the early 70s I finally left college after umpty-ump years as a student and seven more as an assistant professor of journalism to pursue the even more idyllic life of editor/publisher of my own weekly newspaper.

Over 13 years I learned many lessons; one of them was that a general assignment reporter became a little bit knowledgeable on everything, but an expert on none. It was a wonderful learning experience, but when I measure it against Tom Stewart - well, let's just say I know the difference.

There are too few "beat" reporters left today - people who cover complex subjects so consistently and thoroughly that they not only become "experts," but they actually understand what they are being told. How I longed for a reporter, during my healthcare days, who had even a basic understanding of the subject!

Anyway, Tom, we are not just Fortunate to have you here with us for two weeks. We are Fortunate (yes I know I'm capitalizing here) to have a knowing advocate like you in such a key position on one of the world's leading business editorial boards - Fortune magazine. The "knowledge business" still has much credibility to build, and your ability to say it, to be heard and to get the right people to listen, is as important to the KM movement as your understanding of it.

So I thank you, Tom - for two weeks at our table, and a career currently focused on helping the world cope and capitalize on the Knowledge Age.

It is becoming a tradition NOT to say goodbye to a guest moderator. Along with all the others in the STAR SERIES, Tom has decided to become a full Triple Plus member of AOK. So, it's not "goodbye," Tom. It's "welcome." We are building a KM community here - and, with the additions of people like you, the "network" is looking pretty darn good so far!

Thanks again, Tom, for a great two weeks. We look forward to your next book, and we are eager to have you back in the "Star" seat when the book's published.

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  Applauding the Audience: The Benefit of Knowledge Exchange

Tom Stewart: In Russian theatre there's a tradition, I am told, for the performers to applaud the audience after they have taken their bows, and in addition to accepting your thanks I'd like to extend mine. You and I both know, Jerry, that a journalist is only as good as his sources - and that a source is only as good as the questions asked. It's mutual, and if this discussion has been stimulating to you all, it's also been stimulating to me. I was particularly interested in the discussions, in the second week mostly, about the migration path toward realtime management, and I think a couple of excellent points came up.

First, indirectly but overhanging all, the question about top management buy-in so eloquently described by Srini Murty. Second, the discussion of what you might call the midlife crisis in change management - that midstream moment when "returning were as tedious as go o'er" and a new resolution (and perhaps changes in staffing) are needed. Always, I find, what makes change work is a compelling business necessity or opportunity. Knowledge management's no different.

As for the new book - yes, it's coming, I hope in January of next year. I'd love to return to the podium; but for now I'm looking forward to sitting in the audience.

Tom

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  KM Tools Need to be Simpler than the Telephone

Note: Tom's tenure in the "Star Seat" ended before the receipt of this post. But posts don't go unanswered. See the editor's response below.

Garold (Gary) L. Johnson, DYNAMIC Alternatives
Simplifying KM Operations

Tom Stewart wrote: "Knowledge management tools, if they are to become the day-to-day tools of the business, needs to be as simple as the telephone."

Or even simpler. Currently the user is responsible for knowing the indexing system that connects the people he wants to reach to the switching system at the location (connection to the system) where they can be found. The story goes that in Japan for a long time, operators provided the memory and lookup because it was considered impolite to equate people with numbers. To make a call you picked up the phone and asked for the person you wanted. Now that's simple!

An analogous knowledge system would let you ask for what you want in much the same way you ask a professional librarian - ask for it in any number of ways and get a response that is nearly as good as though you had the librarians intimate knowledge of where to look for information. I had occasion years ago to do research in Pittsburgh at the Cathedral of Learning, which is staffed by seniors and graduate students in library science, and that was the way research went - I had no clue where to start on the topic I had to find information on, I just asked, and the books and references kept coming. There were a few bad hits, but mostly I got only pertinent information down to the book section or article - nearly nothing but "meat".

I agree that the system must be as simple to use as the telephone since the argument that was given for limited markets for telephones was that everybody would have to become a telephone operator for the numbers to rise beyond a certain point, and that is essentially what we have done. A similar argument applies to knowledge workers.

The question is, how do we simplify the operations of knowledge management, which are far more complex both in size and interconnectedness than the problems posed by connecting phones? Thinking, particularly organized thinking, is not something that most people do well. Thus capturing information in a way that is suitably indexed becomes a major problem. Then when that same information is needed with a slightly different index, how do we find it? We haven't solved this problem in libraries yet, where the problem is analogous to phone switching - connect a description, possibly vague and uncertain, to a reference identifier (Dewey decimal number, ISBN, publication reference, etc.) based on content. That we need to make simple enough that everybody can both retrieve information from the system by content and add information to the system effectively so that it can be found by others using any "close" description of the content or type of information contained.

Editor's response: Thanks for your posts, Gary, and please keep them coming. We need more AOK members like you. I've also said for years the Internet needs more librarians! "Content management" is hot right now, but the focus seems to be on software that can somehow match or outsmart people in the process of sorting through the billions of documents on the Internet floor. You have to believe that software can outperform humans on the basis of volume. But, quality still depends on the human component. At AOK, we have been tediously building 15 KM libraries one human judgment at a time. As a result, we are receiving pretty good marks from members and visitors as a rich content site. Look Ma, no CM software! Of course, we would love to have some - as a tool for the LIBRARIAN. - Jerry Ash

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