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Star Series

Conversations with David Snowden
Practice and Communication
of 3rd Generation Knowledge Management

Table of Contents (Click on list item to go directly to each topic)

Part III: Postscript Between Snowden, Ash

Part III: Conversation Between Snowden, Ash

  Personalization of Knowledge Management

Jerry Ash: What is happening in the workplace that supports the notion that the focus is shifting from knowledge as a "thing" which can be captured and cataloged to the management of knowledge ecology?

David Snowden: In terms of changes in the market place, I see the increasing failure of second generation solutions, the idea that knowledge can be disembodied from people's heads and made an organisation's asset is falling into disrepute due to the frequent lack of shared context, and the reluctance of any knowledge holder to disclose what they know other than in the context of a question.

Jerry Ash: I am gratified that my own deep disbelief that "capturing" individual knowledge for the benefit of the organization was a bad idea. In fact, I thought all along that such a strategy was extremely harmful to the ultimate goal of building a trusting, mutually respectful environment in which knowledge sharing and growing could occur.

I'd like to believe that the corporate world is seeing the error and moving in the direction of an individual/company collaborative model. But I'd still like some proof. Is it only that "mind mining" has fallen into disrepute, or does it also mean that the dynamics of the human factor has been accepted and acted upon. If so, that would be a major concession from management that "knowledge" can't be captured, owned, manipulated and managed as the organization's own intellectual capital -- just as physical assets were managed in the past. Can you give me some examples of companies that are moving forward in the 3rd Generation? Are there known practices that will help us move in that direction with our own KM programs?

One example may be the U.S. Postal Service's portal project piloted by John Gregory, our first Leading Light in the AOK series just launched this month. John is talking about transforming how the US Postal Service's marketing and sales people work in context with information and knowledge available to them. Is that the 3rd Generation you are talking about? Where else is the blend of explicit and tacit knowledge beginning to take shape? How long do you think it will take the executives in our organizations to accept such a sea change in corporate culture? Too many haven't discovered Gen 1 or Gen 2 yet. Maybe that's good -- they can fast track to Gen 3. Or must they all follow the same faulty path?

Dave, I'm expressing these frustrations because I know many of our members experience them every day. They are still engaged in stealth KM where corporate leadership has not traveled far enough through Gen 1 and 2 to reach Gen 3.

David Snowden: A point Jerry expressed: "That would be a major concession from management that 'knowledge' can't be captured, owned, manipulated and managed as the organization's own intellectual capital."

Actually that's not what I argued for; some knowledge can be captured, owned, manipulated etc. The focus of the second generation of codification is not wrong per se, there are many things that we can and should do in this area.

My argument is against the assumed universality of that approach both in Business Process Re-engineering and second generation knowledge management. There is some knowledge that can never be codified, some knowledge that can be codified but shouldn't be to maintain a dynamic model and some knowledge which should always be codified.

The issue is to separate context from narrative from content; each is different, each has different possibilities and opportunities.

Jerry asks: "Can you give me some examples of companies that are moving forward in the 3rd Generation?"

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  American Pragmatism Stifles Innovation

Dave Snowden: I'm always wary of giving examples, although at various times we have used the principles of 3rd generation with companies such as Thames Water, Syngeta, English Nature, Aventis, DARPA funded projects on strategy via the US Government, several government agencies in Singapore, one major US software company (sensitive about the use of their name) -- I could go on at length. None of them has taken up 3rd generation as a "thing" because they have also grown out of the management fad phase that has plagued business, particularly in the US where there is almost an evangelical adoption of a succession of ideas from BPR to KM.

Slightly tongue in cheek, I'd also attack American pragmatism as stifling innovation. I can give practical examples, but then people just want to copy them. What we are doing here is creating a set of heuristic concepts that can create unique solutions, rather than applying so-called best or actual past practice. One of the principles of complexity is that it challenges the generalisation of past practice into reusable models, what I call "recipe book" consulting.

Jerry said: "I know many of our members experience them (frustrations) every day. They are still engaged in stealth KM where corporate leadership has not traveled far enough through Gen 1 and 2 to reach Gen 3.

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  Dealing with Lagging Generations

Dave Snowden: My experience is that this is only a problem where people try and sell KM as a concept to managers. My approach is very simple. We first map what people know -- that uses narrative techniques, as interviews break the rule that "people only know what they know when they need to know it." To ask people what they know is to ask a meaningless question in a meaningless context.

The map is a dependency matrix between knowledge assets and core processes from which we isolate two types of knowledge projects: ones in which many assets have to be managed to support a single process (easy to sell, difficult to do) and ones where the management of a single asset impacts many processes (easy to do, difficult to sell).

A knowledge strategy is a portfolio of such projects in which the priority goes to managing assets on which a key process has a high dependency, but where the asset is vulnerable to loss. This process takes eight weeks with the client staff doing the work part time (no more than 10 percent) with someone like myself monitoring and coaching through workshops at the start, end and middle.

Once this is complete, each project is justified in its own right, based on business priorities. This may then grow into a broader KM project, but such a project emerges through the interactions and impacts of the different projects. Once complete there is no need for stealth. You are more likely to be asked why you didn't do something earlier (at which point, do not say that you have been trying to for some time, but say "yes sir" and swallow hard).

If an organisation cannot afford such a simple process then their awareness is so low you'd be better looking for another job. A problem is that too many of the large consultancies just role out the old approaches they used for process, quality, etc., when they look at knowledge and all the organisation gets is another jargon ridden consultancy report pontificating about best practices, and the like, which just doesn't understand the nature of knowledge.

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  All Ecologies Have Predators

David Snowden: Jerry used the words: "sea change in corporate culture?"

The switch to complexity thinking is a major change -- it's as great as the impact of Taylorism and will take time to impact. We already know that an increasing number of blue chip companies are getting involved. IBM's decision to fund me to set up a new Centre for Complexity and Narrative would have been unthinkable some years ago but has now happened. But don't make the mistake of thinking that because companies recognise the importance of human agents they will become more humane. All ecologies have their predators.

Jerry Ash: In today's post, you wrote: "I use narrative techniques to contextualise the model for a company so the heuristics and boundary conditions are defined not in some abstract language, but are rooted in the defining stories of that organisation."

I'm very interested in how something like that reads. I consider myself a professional communicator, and yet I share with all KMers a difficulty in being able to "contextualize," as you put it, the potential of KM in the existing hierarchy of an organization. Can you give us a brief glimpse of (or a link to) a narrative that defines the organization that way? Or tell us more about how to construct such a narrative.

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  Contextualizing Narrative Is Not Journalism

Dave Snowden: You're thinking as a journalist! You want a single narrative. Contextualisation doesn't work like that.

With the Cynefin model for example I will start with a series of story workshops, no more than a couple of hours each spread over some weeks using a sample of the organisations I am working with. Those sessions will focus on the finding examples from the organisations own past that represent the extreme situations that they have face and might face. I also use alternative history techniques to move the group to imagine situations agreed as highly improbable -- this is easier to do in a fiction setting based on the past than in an hypothesis of the future where politics and ambition inevitably intrude.

I will then in a single two-day workshop populate a white space with the various examples gleaned from the supporting workshops, on the basis of a simple logarithmic grid on the four extremes of known, knowable, complex and chaotic. Once this is done, the boundaries between the spaces are drawn, and the examples closest to the boundaries are used to create a set of border definitions.

Working this way the model has emerged from the collective actual and imagined histories of the organisation, in stark contrast to many consultancy models that attempt to shift the organisation into an abstract context.

This is a big issue for management, not just in KM. We tend to take methods and tools from other organisations, or in summaries (biased by the researcher) of what has happened in other organisations and then attempt to imitate "best practice." This is not contextually rooted and leads to miscommunication and inauthentic behaviour. Multiple other experiences heard without an indication as to the their merit -- positive or negative -- can be a legitimate stimulus, but a statement of "the way" does not recognise the multiple histories that make up the cultural context of the organisation.

In our work we never apply a recipe, we use heuristics derived from multiple experiences to enable the creation of context sensitive models in which the consultant acts as a facilitator of descriptive self awareness -- not analysis, no prescriptive models.

This does require a conceptual shift to a new level of simplicity. The danger is that for most people, carrying on the way they have grown used to, appears simple, but is in fact simplistic. If they make the mental shift to a new concept, then it becomes simple; this has been the case throughout the history of ideas, with conservative forces delaying the adoption of new ways of working.

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Part I: 3rd Generation Knowledge Management

Part II: Extended Discussion on KM Communication